i don't think we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. republicans have put some proposals on the table moving in barack obama's direction. i don't know exactly the game tim geithner was playing yesterday and thank you, erin, for getting some of this math right. when he came up with yesterday was $4 of new tacks for every dollar of spending cut, that's when john boehner simply said we're nowhere an that's where they are now, but there's 30 days. >> ethan, don't the republicans if they want to break this stalemate, maybe what the president's doing is saying these are the cuts i want to make, so guys, why don't you come up with the rest? >> i don't think that's really a fair criticism. republicans have passed the budget that paul ryan pugt together. now, you may not agree with that budget, but it does outline specific cuts. republicans are on the record for those and would probably say here's our list of cuts, mr. president. what's your list? >> the president has other things he may not have included. say they take it from paul ryan's budge